Charles Wilkes

If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set up a Black
List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all contribute
our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.

Charles Wilkes

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Charles:
>
> I think that is a great idea. It would help everyone in the group. There
> is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste time sorting
> out the fraud, too.
>
> TEK
>
>
>
>
> aTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) ...oups (DOT) com
> From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
>
>
> This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all the
> capital funds in your account (demo for me of course). I contacted their
> support three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.
>
> I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon unsuspecting
> people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did). It could be
> in our files section.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose money on demo
> acct, dont be fooled by the slick marketing
>
> --- On *Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>* wrote:
>
> From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
> To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
> Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM
>
> Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
> For sure you'll lose a lot of money.
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>* wrote:
>
> From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
> To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer. PointBreak.
> Fractal Wizard. Shark.
> Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.
>
> Regards,
>
> George
>
>
>
>
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>
>
> --
>

Smoky

Hi Charles,
Yes let me know if I can help with this, I shall.
GL & GT Gerry

-------Original Message-------

From: Charles Wilkes
Date: 16/07/2008 9:15:28 AM
To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List

If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set up a Black
List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all contribute
our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.

Charles Wilkes


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Charles:

I think that is a great idea. It would help everyone in the group. There
is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste time sorting
out the fraud, too.

TEK





aTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) ...oups (DOT) com

From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700

Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.




This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all the capital
funds in your account (demo for me of course). I contacted their support
three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.

I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon unsuspecting
people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did). It could be
in our files section.

Charles Wilkes


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose money on demo acct,
dont be fooled by the slick marketing

--- On Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.

To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com

Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM



Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
For sure you'll lose a lot of money.


--- On Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:


From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM


Hi everyone,

How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer. PointBreak. Fractal
Wizard. Shark.
Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.

Regards,

George









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at Yahoo!






--

Red Baron

Hi, All

I say, MAKE SURE YOUR EA DO THE RIGHT THING...!!!
well scam is everywhere, even ANYWHERE.
and sometime we were just right "go ahead"* jump on it.
even if they give it to you.
AGREE.. MAKE THE BLACK LIST
especially for commercial profit taker scam bag money back guarantee EA

baron

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Smoky <smokyatgroups (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
From: Smoky <smokyatgroups (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:38 PM

















Hi Charles,
Yes let me know if I can help with this, I shall.
GL & GT Gerry*
*

-------Original Message----- --
*

From: Charles Wilkes
Date: 16/07/2008 9:15:28 AM
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
*

If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set up a Black List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all contribute our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.
*
Charles Wilkes


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:







Charles:

I think that is a great idea.* It would help everyone in the group.* There is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste time sorting out the fraud, too.*

TEK





aTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700



Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.







This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all the capital funds in your account (demo for me of course).** I contacted their support three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.**
*
I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon unsuspecting people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did).* It could be in our files section.
*
Charles Wilkes


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:









Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose money on demo acct, dont be fooled by the slick marketing*

--- On Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.

To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM










Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
For sure you'll lose a lot of money.


--- On Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:


From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM



Hi everyone,

How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer. PointBreak. Fractal Wizard. Shark.
Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.

Regards,

George












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--

Charles Wilkes

Wow -- lots of you out there really agree on the necessity of a black list
-- we've all been burned too many times.

I really want the Black List to be implemented right to make it very easy to
add to, and especially to consult before buying anything. I really don't
have the knowledge to do this in other than a crude way. Is there any
expert out there to insure that it is done right the first time? I've been
a user and creator of many yahoogroups over the years, but I don't recall
seeing anything similar to what we really need here done anywhere else --
else I would just copy it as I hate to invent anything new when there was
already a satisfactory solution already in existence.

One thing I see as important. Obviously producers of for-sale EAs and
other Forex systems won't like this, and will try to stop it. And I don't
want any of them to try and sue or even threaten to sue anybody for libel
somehow. So I think contributions should be by people who bought the
product, and feel burned by it, and want to give their professional opinion
on it which is their constitutional right to do under our free speech laws.
A contributor should not be the producer of a competitive product trying to
bad mouth their competition either directly or through a fake shill
either. I've seen that on Forex Bastards, aka Forex Peace Army these days.

So let's do this right the first time, with the right set of guidelines for
contributors to both protect them, and to make it worth while for the rest
of us to use.

And maybe to be perfectly fair and balanced, we need a matching White List
to include items reported by users which were good, rather than bad. Maybe
there won't be too many, but why not have it planned for.

Charles Wilkes
On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Red Baron <
public_enemy_nummer_uno (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

> Hi, All
>
> I say, MAKE SURE YOUR EA DO THE RIGHT THING...!!!
> well scam is everywhere, even ANYWHERE.
> and sometime we were just right "go ahead" jump on it.
> even if they give it to you.
> AGREE.. MAKE THE BLACK LIST
> especially for commercial profit taker scam bag money back guarantee EA
>
> baron
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, Smoky <smokyatgroups (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:
>
> From: Smoky <smokyatgroups (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
> To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:38 PM
>
>
> Hi Charles,
> Yes let me know if I can help with this, I shall.
> GL & GT Gerry
>
> *-------Original Message----- --*
>
> *From:* Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> *Date:* 16/07/2008 9:15:28 AM
> *To:* MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com<MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> *Subject:* Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
>
> If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set up a Black
> List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all contribute
> our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com<teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>
> wrote:
>
> Charles:
>
> I think that is a great idea. It would help everyone in the group. There
> is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste time sorting
> out the fraud, too.
>
> TEK
>
>
>
>
> aTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com<aTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700
>
> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
>
>
> This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all the
> capital funds in your account (demo for me of course). I contacted their
> support three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.
>
> I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon unsuspecting
> people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did). It could be
> in our files section.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com<jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>>
> wrote:
> Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose money on demo
> acct, dont be fooled by the slick marketing
>
> --- On *Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com<mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> >* wrote:
> From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com <mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>>
> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
> To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com<MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM
>
> Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
> For sure you'll lose a lot of money.
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>* wrote:
>
> From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
> To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer. PointBreak.
> Fractal Wizard. Shark.
> Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.
>
> Regards,
>
> George
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Not happy with your email address?
> Get the one you really want <http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html> -
> millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo!<http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html>
>
>
>
>
> --
>

Christian

Hi,

Personally I have only paid for one EA. It delivers what it promises. But then again, it does not promise more than every experienced trader would expect from a robot. I do not want to discuss this EA here (or any commercial EA for that matter). I'll leave that for our upcoming review initiative.

You can purchase a robot which servers drinks, vacuums floors etc. But it will never replace a real butler. Not that I have ever had a real butler, but I'm still pretty sure I'm right...

--
Christian


----- Original Message ----
From: Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:12:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List


Wow -- lots of you out there really agree on the necessity of a black list -- we've all been burned too many times.

I really want the Black List to be implemented right to make it very easy to add to, and especially to consult before buying anything. I really don't have the knowledge to do this in other than a crude way. Is there any expert out there to insure that it is done right the first time? I've been a user and creator of many yahoogroups over the years, but I don't recall seeing anything similar to what we really need here done anywhere else -- else I would just copy it as I hate to invent anything new when there was already a satisfactory solution already in existence.

One thing I see as important. Obviously producers of for-sale EAs and other Forex systems won't like this, and will try to stop it. And I don't want any of them to try and sue or even threaten to sue anybody for libel somehow. So I think contributions should be by people who bought the product, and feel burned by it, and want to give their professional opinion on it which is their constitutional right to do under our free speech laws.
A contributor should not be the producer of a competitive product trying to bad mouth their competition either directly or through a fake shill either. I've seen that on Forex Bastards, aka Forex Peace Army these days.

So let's do this right the first time, with the right set of guidelines for contributors to both protect them, and to make it worth while for the rest of us to use.

And maybe to be perfectly fair and balanced, we need a matching White List to include items reported by users which were good, rather than bad. Maybe there won't be too many, but why not have it planned for.

Charles Wilkes

On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Red Baron <public_enemy_ nummer_uno@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Hi, All

I say, MAKE SURE YOUR EA DO THE RIGHT THING...!!!
well scam is everywhere, even ANYWHERE.
and sometime we were just right "go ahead" jump on it.
even if they give it to you.
AGREE.. MAKE THE BLACK LIST
especially for commercial profit taker scam bag money back guarantee EA

baron

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, Smoky <smokyatgroups@ gmail.com> wrote:

From: Smoky <smokyatgroups@ gmail.com>

Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List

To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:38 PM



Hi Charles,
Yes let me know if I can help with this, I shall.
GL & GT Gerry

-------Original Message----- --

From: Charles Wilkes
Date: 16/07/2008 9:15:28 AM
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List

If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set up a Black List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all contribute our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.

Charles Wilkes


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Charles:

I think that is a great idea. It would help everyone in the group. There is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste time sorting out the fraud, too.

TEK





aTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700

Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.




This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all the capital funds in your account (demo for me of course). I contacted their support three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.

I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon unsuspecting people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did). It could be in our files section.

Charles Wilkes


On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose money on demo acct, dont be fooled by the slick marketing

--- On Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.

To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM



Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
For sure you'll lose a lot of money.


--- On Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:


From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM


Hi everyone,

How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer. PointBreak. Fractal Wizard. Shark.
Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.

Regards,

George

Shaun

hey all,

been reading these threads and i'm keen to help in a different way.

just an idea, i can help make a website where we can list all the EA's being
tested and their ongoing results.

lemme know your thoughts on this



On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 5:12 PM, Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Wow -- lots of you out there really agree on the necessity of a black
> list -- we've all been burned too many times.
>
> I really want the Black List to be implemented right to make it very easy
> to add to, and especially to consult before buying anything. I really
> don't have the knowledge to do this in other than a crude way. Is there
> any expert out there to insure that it is done right the first time? I've
> been a user and creator of many yahoogroups over the years, but I don't
> recall seeing anything similar to what we really need here done anywhere
> else -- else I would just copy it as I hate to invent anything new when
> there was already a satisfactory solution already in existence.
>
> One thing I see as important. Obviously producers of for-sale EAs and
> other Forex systems won't like this, and will try to stop it. And I don't
> want any of them to try and sue or even threaten to sue anybody for libel
> somehow. So I think contributions should be by people who bought the
> product, and feel burned by it, and want to give their professional opinion
> on it which is their constitutional right to do under our free speech laws.
> A contributor should not be the producer of a competitive product trying to
> bad mouth their competition either directly or through a fake shill
> either. I've seen that on Forex Bastards, aka Forex Peace Army these days.
>
> So let's do this right the first time, with the right set of guidelines for
> contributors to both protect them, and to make it worth while for the rest
> of us to use.
>
> And maybe to be perfectly fair and balanced, we need a matching White List
> to include items reported by users which were good, rather than bad. Maybe
> there won't be too many, but why not have it planned for.
>
> Charles Wilkes
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Red Baron <
> public_enemy_nummer_uno (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> Hi, All
>>
>> I say, MAKE SURE YOUR EA DO THE RIGHT THING...!!!
>> well scam is everywhere, even ANYWHERE.
>> and sometime we were just right "go ahead" jump on it.
>> even if they give it to you.
>> AGREE.. MAKE THE BLACK LIST
>> especially for commercial profit taker scam bag money back guarantee EA
>>
>> baron
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, Smoky <smokyatgroups (AT) gmail (DOT) com>* wrote:
>>
>> From: Smoky <smokyatgroups (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
>> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
>> To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
>> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:38 PM
>>
>>
>> Hi Charles,
>> Yes let me know if I can help with this, I shall.
>> GL & GT Gerry
>>
>> *-------Original Message----- --*
>>
>> *From:* Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
>> *Date:* 16/07/2008 9:15:28 AM
>> *To:* MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com<MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
>>
>> If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set up a
>> Black List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all
>> contribute our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.
>>
>> Charles Wilkes
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com<teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Charles:
>>
>> I think that is a great idea. It would help everyone in the group. There
>> is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste time sorting
>> out the fraud, too.
>>
>> TEK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> aTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com<aTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
>> From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700
>>
>> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
>>
>>
>> This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all the
>> capital funds in your account (demo for me of course). I contacted their
>> support three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.
>>
>> I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon unsuspecting
>> people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did). It could be
>> in our files section.
>>
>> Charles Wilkes
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com<jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>>
>> wrote:
>> Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose money on
>> demo acct, dont be fooled by the slick marketing
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com<mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
>> >* wrote:
>> From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com <mpcontreras (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>>
>> Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
>> To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com<MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
>> Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM
>>
>> Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
>> For sure you'll lose a lot of money.
>>
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>* wrote:
>>
>> From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
>> Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
>> To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer. PointBreak.
>> Fractal Wizard. Shark.
>> Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Gerry

Hi Charles,
I replied yesterday but somehow my email never made it to the group
site........
Hi Charles,
Yes I am a Moderator/owner one of 4 of us, it seems I am the only
one still moderating though.
I'm at least 14 hours out of sync with the members in the US.

Any member can create a folder and a header name, & upload their
experts or indicators etc.

I have created a folder in the files section called Black Listed
Commercial Experts, I hope this format is suitable if not feel free
to edit it.

People can start a file under the folder header and name the file
after the Expert name in question, in the files contents which are
uploaded they could use a simple text file like "notepad" to explain
the what's, why's and wherefore's about the product.

I know people might be a little upset when they create this file, I
know I would be if I paid good money to have my account trashed by
an "expert". I guess we need to temper this with an honest appraisal
of what others are likely to experience if they tread the same path.

We are a private group not a public one, so I think (hope) we cannot
be held legally liaible for private opinions expressed within our own
private group.

Gerry











--- In MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com, "Charles
Wilkes" <cfw123@...> wrote:
>
> Wow -- lots of you out there really agree on the necessity of a
black list
> -- we've all been burned too many times.
>
> I really want the Black List to be implemented right to make it
very easy to
> add to, and especially to consult before buying anything. I
really don't
> have the knowledge to do this in other than a crude way. Is there
any
> expert out there to insure that it is done right the first time?
I've been
> a user and creator of many yahoogroups over the years, but I don't
recall
> seeing anything similar to what we really need here done anywhere
else --
> else I would just copy it as I hate to invent anything new when
there was
> already a satisfactory solution already in existence.
>
> One thing I see as important. Obviously producers of for-sale EAs
and
> other Forex systems won't like this, and will try to stop it. And
I don't
> want any of them to try and sue or even threaten to sue anybody for
libel
> somehow. So I think contributions should be by people who bought
the
> product, and feel burned by it, and want to give their professional
opinion
> on it which is their constitutional right to do under our free
speech laws.
> A contributor should not be the producer of a competitive product
trying to
> bad mouth their competition either directly or through a fake shill
> either. I've seen that on Forex Bastards, aka Forex Peace Army
these days.
>
> So let's do this right the first time, with the right set of
guidelines for
> contributors to both protect them, and to make it worth while for
the rest
> of us to use.
>
> And maybe to be perfectly fair and balanced, we need a matching
White List
> to include items reported by users which were good, rather than
bad. Maybe
> there won't be too many, but why not have it planned for.
>
> Charles Wilkes
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 10:22 PM, Red Baron <
> public_enemy_nummer_uno@...> wrote:
>
> > Hi, All
> >
> > I say, MAKE SURE YOUR EA DO THE RIGHT THING...!!!
> > well scam is everywhere, even ANYWHERE.
> > and sometime we were just right "go ahead" jump on it.
> > even if they give it to you.
> > AGREE.. MAKE THE BLACK LIST
> > especially for commercial profit taker scam bag money back
guarantee EA
> >
> > baron
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, Smoky <smokyatgroups@...>* wrote:
> >
> > From: Smoky <smokyatgroups@...>
> > Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
> > To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 10:38 PM
> >
> >
> > Hi Charles,
> > Yes let me know if I can help with this, I shall.
> > GL & GT Gerry
> >
> > *-------Original Message----- --*
> >
> > *From:* Charles Wilkes <cfw123@...>
> > *Date:* 16/07/2008 9:15:28 AM
> > *To:* MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups.
com<MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> > *Subject:* Re: [MT_E and I] EA's to list on a group Black List
> >
> > If enough other's agree, maybe we can get our moderator to set
up a Black
> > List (fraudulent EAs) in our files section, to which we can all
contribute
> > our "disappointments" with EAs we have bought and paid for.
> >
> > Charles Wilkes
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:43 PM, T K <teknapp (AT) hotmail (DOT)
com<teknapp@...>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Charles:
> >
> > I think that is a great idea. It would help everyone in the
group. There
> > is already so much to learn and process, we don't need to waste
time sorting
> > out the fraud, too.
> >
> > TEK
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > aTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups.
com<aTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> > From: cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com <cfw123@...>
> > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:35:23 -0700
> >
> > Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
> >
> >
> > This is another one I bought only to find it quickly loses all
the
> > capital funds in your account (demo for me of course). I
contacted their
> > support three times, but it was totally wasted to even bother.
> >
> > I think we need a black list of EA frauds perpetrated upon
unsuspecting
> > people who fall for slick marketing (like unfortunately I did).
It could be
> > in our files section.
> >
> > Charles Wilkes
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Jacob Ade <jacobade (AT) yahoo (DOT)
com<jacobade@...>>
> > wrote:
> > Forex Auto pilot is a mish mash of EAs and they all lose
money on demo
> > acct, dont be fooled by the slick marketing
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 15/7/08, Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@
yahoo.com<mpcontreras@...>
> > >* wrote:
> > From: Miguel Contreras <mpcontreras@ yahoo.com <mpcontreras@...>>
> > Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] EA's for review-DOUBLE PLAY.
> > To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups.
com<MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com>
> > Date: Tuesday, 15 July, 2008, 8:12 PM
> >
> > Don't bother testing Doubleplay. I did it.
> > For sure you'll lose a lot of money.
> >
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 7/15/08, goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>* wrote:
> >
> > From: goldom <goldom (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>
> > Subject: [MT_E and I] EA's for review
> > To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 8:36 AM
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > How about Phoenix EA? It's free. PipBoxer. Forex Killer.
PointBreak.
> > Fractal Wizard. Shark.
> > Griffin. DoublePlay. Forex AutoPilot.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Ron Thompson

Gerry,

Some time back, in the MetaTrader group, you mentioned that there used
to be more moderators, but you were the only one left now.

Is it something I could help you with? I have no idea what's involved
with Yahoo! groups, but would be willing to help some.

I trade and work full time, so I can't be full time, but I'd be willing.

I'm in California (Pacific time).

Ron(ForexMT4)

Ron Thompson

Gerry,

Some time back, in the MetaTrader group, you mentioned that there used
to be more moderators, but you were the only one left now.

Is it something I could help you with? I have no idea what's involved
with Yahoo! groups, but would be willing to help some.

I trade and work full time, so I can't be full time, but I'd be willing.

I'm in California (Pacific time).

Ron(ForexMT4)

Ron Thompson

Gerry,

Some time back, in the MetaTrader group, you mentioned that there used
to be more moderators, but you were the only one left now.

Is it something I could help you with? I have no idea what's involved
with Yahoo! groups, but would be willing to help some.

I trade and work full time, so I can't be full time, but I'd be willing.

I'm in California (Pacific time).

Ron(ForexMT4)