Charles Wilkes

Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my part
(read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really (repeat
"really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the switch.
As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an MD), but
now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would happen.

The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
www.codeweavers.com and is still reported to be at that site by Google.
However it just won't come up on the Internet, and I wonder if they are
still in business.

Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check out
MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC
programs under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to
go totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
other choice.

Charles Wilkes

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Hi Charles,
>
> Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a
> Virtual
> Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I finally
> go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux to
> give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability, and
> then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be interesting
> to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.
>
> I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT client
> directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
> some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not client.
> It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want to
> run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid
> enough,
> I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
> updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
> updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
> running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update, was
> worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval. That
> really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the startup
> folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down for
> some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.
>
> Regards
>
> Eben
>
> From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
> 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Charles Wilkes
> Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
> To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>



--

Allan Wade

For a Virtual Machine, Try Parallels (http://www.parallels.com/) for $50 or
VMWare's Fusion (http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/) for $80. The stuff
I read indicates that Fusion may be more efficient. At the time I was
looking at it, the only negative of Fusion was there were some utilities
missing (creating a VM fro an existing WIN partition was one, I believe),
but that was Version 1 of the product. I believe the current version is
version 3.



Good Luck.





Allan Wade



_____

From: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
[mailto:MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of
Charles Wilkes
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 6:49 AM
Subject: [MT_E and I] Re: Queston re MT4 -- can it run on a Mac?



Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my part
(read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really (repeat
"really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the switch.
As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an MD), but
now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would happen.



The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
www.codeweavers.com <http://www.codeweavers.com/> and is still reported to
be at that site by Google. However it just won't come up on the Internet,
and I wonder if they are still in business.



Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check out
MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC programs
under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to go
totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
other choice.



Charles Wilkes

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Hi Charles,

Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a Virtual
Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I finally
go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux to
give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability, and
then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be interesting
to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.

I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT client
directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not client.
It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want to
run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid enough,
I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update, was
worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval. That
really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the startup
folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down for
some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.

Regards

Eben

From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <mailto:4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <mailto:4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
Of Charles Wilkes
Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <mailto:4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




--

Duncan McQueen

Try www.winehq.com. That is the open source product that codeweavers
was based on. I have MetaTrader running under it on Linux - so it may
work for you.

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 8:48 AM, Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my part
> (read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really (repeat
> "really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the switch.
> As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an MD), but
> now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would happen.
>
> The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
> way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
> became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
> an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
> only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
> applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
> But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
> www.codeweavers.com and is still reported to be at that site by Google.
> However it just won't come up on the Internet, and I wonder if they are
> still in business.
>
> Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check out
> MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
> Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
> problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
> could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
> sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC
> programs under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to
> go totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
> other choice.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a
>> Virtual
>> Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I finally
>> go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux to
>> give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability,
>> and
>> then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be
>> interesting
>> to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.
>>
>> I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT client
>> directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
>> some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not client.
>> It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want to
>> run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid
>> enough,
>> I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
>> updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
>> updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
>> running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update,
>> was
>> worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval. That
>> really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the startup
>> folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down for
>> some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Eben
>>
>> From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Charles Wilkes
>> Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
>> To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>> Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>
>
>
> --
>

Branislav Karic

Hi Charles,

Codewavers is still alive and kicking :-), I simply clicked on that link you
posted in your message and their web site came up in a sec.
They have a Crossover for Mac too. Now, I have been running MT4 on Linux
without problems, had to copy two dlls from Windows machine, that Wine
doesn't have, and few fonts also, and after that MT4 starts and runs as it
does under Windows. There is a small issue though, with setting parameters'
values for indicators, you can't do it from a dialog box for some reason,
the only way is to change them directly in the source code of an indicator
or EA.

I don't have any experience with MAC but if you say that it's based on Linux
than I guess you can go ahead and install MT4 using wine, or Crossover for
MAC which probably has more capabilities.

Cheers,
Ben

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my
> part (read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really
> (repeat "really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the
> switch. As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an
> MD), but now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would
> happen.
>
> The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
> way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
> became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
> an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
> only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
> applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
> But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
> www.codeweavers.com and is still reported to be at that site by Google.
> However it just won't come up on the Internet, and I wonder if they are
> still in business.
>
> Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check out
> MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
> Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
> problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
> could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
> sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC
> programs under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to
> go totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
> other choice.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a
>> Virtual
>> Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I finally
>> go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux to
>> give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability,
>> and
>> then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be
>> interesting
>> to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.
>>
>> I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT client
>> directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
>> some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not client.
>> It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want to
>> run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid
>> enough,
>> I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
>> updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
>> updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
>> running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update,
>> was
>> worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval. That
>> really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the startup
>> folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down for
>> some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Eben
>>
>> From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
>> 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
>> Of Charles Wilkes
>> Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
>> To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>

Duncan McQueen

As far as changing parameters to EAs - click on it and hit your F2 button.
It should allow you to change it.

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Branislav Karic <bbranac (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> Hi Charles,
>
> Codewavers is still alive and kicking :-), I simply clicked on that link you
> posted in your message and their web site came up in a sec.
> They have a Crossover for Mac too. Now, I have been running MT4 on Linux
> without problems, had to copy two dlls from Windows machine, that Wine
> doesn't have, and few fonts also, and after that MT4 starts and runs as it
> does under Windows. There is a small issue though, with setting parameters'
> values for indicators, you can't do it from a dialog box for some reason,
> the only way is to change them directly in the source code of an indicator
> or EA.
>
> I don't have any experience with MAC but if you say that it's based on Linux
> than I guess you can go ahead and install MT4 using wine, or Crossover for
> MAC which probably has more capabilities.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>
>> Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my
>> part (read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really
>> (repeat "really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the
>> switch. As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an
>> MD), but now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would
>> happen.
>>
>> The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
>> way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
>> became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
>> an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
>> only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
>> applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
>> But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
>> www.codeweavers.com and is still reported to be at that site by Google.
>> However it just won't come up on the Internet, and I wonder if they are
>> still in business.
>>
>> Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check
>> out MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
>> Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
>> problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
>> could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
>> sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC
>> programs under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to
>> go totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
>> other choice.
>>
>> Charles Wilkes
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Charles,
>>>
>>> Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a
>>> Virtual
>>> Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I
>>> finally
>>> go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux
>>> to
>>> give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability,
>>> and
>>> then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be
>>> interesting
>>> to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.
>>>
>>> I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT
>>> client
>>> directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
>>> some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not
>>> client.
>>> It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want
>>> to
>>> run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid
>>> enough,
>>> I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
>>> updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
>>> updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
>>> running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update,
>>> was
>>> worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval.
>>> That
>>> really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the
>>> startup
>>> folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down
>>> for
>>> some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Eben
>>>
>>> From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Charles Wilkes
>>> Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
>>> To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>>> Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4
>>>
>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>

Duncan McQueen

AFAIK, Mac isn't based on Linux but its core has similar ideological
underpinnings....

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:46 AM, Duncan McQueen <dwmcqueen (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> As far as changing parameters to EAs - click on it and hit your F2 button.
> It should allow you to change it.
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:43 AM, Branislav Karic <bbranac (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> Codewavers is still alive and kicking :-), I simply clicked on that link you
>> posted in your message and their web site came up in a sec.
>> They have a Crossover for Mac too. Now, I have been running MT4 on Linux
>> without problems, had to copy two dlls from Windows machine, that Wine
>> doesn't have, and few fonts also, and after that MT4 starts and runs as it
>> does under Windows. There is a small issue though, with setting parameters'
>> values for indicators, you can't do it from a dialog box for some reason,
>> the only way is to change them directly in the source code of an indicator
>> or EA.
>>
>> I don't have any experience with MAC but if you say that it's based on Linux
>> than I guess you can go ahead and install MT4 using wine, or Crossover for
>> MAC which probably has more capabilities.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ben
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my
>>> part (read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really
>>> (repeat "really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the
>>> switch. As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an
>>> MD), but now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would
>>> happen.
>>>
>>> The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
>>> way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
>>> became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
>>> an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
>>> only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
>>> applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
>>> But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
>>> www.codeweavers.com and is still reported to be at that site by Google.
>>> However it just won't come up on the Internet, and I wonder if they are
>>> still in business.
>>>
>>> Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check
>>> out MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
>>> Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
>>> problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
>>> could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
>>> sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC
>>> programs under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to
>>> go totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
>>> other choice.
>>>
>>> Charles Wilkes
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Charles,
>>>>
>>>> Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a
>>>> Virtual
>>>> Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I
>>>> finally
>>>> go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux
>>>> to
>>>> give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability,
>>>> and
>>>> then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be
>>>> interesting
>>>> to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.
>>>>
>>>> I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT
>>>> client
>>>> directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
>>>> some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not
>>>> client.
>>>> It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want
>>>> to
>>>> run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid
>>>> enough,
>>>> I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
>>>> updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
>>>> updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
>>>> running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update,
>>>> was
>>>> worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval.
>>>> That
>>>> really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the
>>>> startup
>>>> folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down
>>>> for
>>>> some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Eben
>>>>
>>>> From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Charles Wilkes
>>>> Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
>>>> To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com
>>>> Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>

Tibor Gellert

Charles,

MT works just about with Wine, the major features are OK, can connect to the
back server and once you copied one or two dlls and fonts you get a
reasonable end user experience. There is dark side though: some embedded
objects, like opening up an email or statement, sometimes changing parameter
values and meta editor rendering problem. You may live with those or can put
effort into these to investigate and find solutions. I ended up running
VMServer from vmware which is free of charge and am happy with that. There
might be mac version of that.

Tibor


On 7/24/08, Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Now that I have my new IMac running with a little more knowledge on my
> part (read some books on how to convert to a Mac from a PC), I really
> (repeat "really") like it -- my son was absolutely correct in making the
> switch. As a retired IBM Researcher, I had raised him on PCs (he is now an
> MD), but now he has converted me to the Mac -- never thought it would
> happen.
>
> The Mac is based on Linux, which was it's origin in history. Wine was a
> way to run Windows on Linux, which once Mac went to the Intel processor,
> became possible to use to run "some" PC applications direct on a Mac without
> an emulator, dual boot, or whatever. This interests me very much since the
> only PC application I will be running is MT4, as I will have Mac
> applications covering everything else I do, which is mostly email anyway.
> But Wine was produced by CodeWeavers, which at least used to be at
> www.codeweavers.com and is still reported to be at that site by Google.
> However it just won't come up on the Internet, and I wonder if they are
> still in business.
>
> Does anyone here know if they still exist? I would sure like to check out
> MT4 on Wine, as it would be a big help in my total conversion to Mac.
> Since you say MT4 should run on Linux (server problem but not client
> problem?), there is a real possibility that it would run under Wine -- if I
> could find it, or get a copy of it (I always pay for software if it is for
> sale -- I don't run bootleg software). I know I could run PC
> programs under a VM virtual machine, or via a dual boot, but would prefer to
> go totally on the Mac if possible, reserving running real PC code only if no
> other choice.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 11:20 PM, Eben Brand <eben.brand (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Charles,
>>
>> Not sure if it's been said before, but you can also run Windows in a
>> Virtual
>> Machine on Mac OS. I am considering something like that for when I finally
>> go live, except it will be on Linux on Normal PC Intel platform - Linux to
>> give me security while connected to the internet, as well as stability,
>> and
>> then a virtual machine with XP, with Metatrader on XP. Would be
>> interesting
>> to see if anybody else has attempted this - theoretically it should work.
>>
>> I see on another list that some people are running simple EAs on MT client
>> directly on Linux, within Wine, but seemingly there are also some issues,
>> some ppl have found, although it seems to relate to MT server, not client.
>> It's worth a shot getting off MS Oss... I have a rule that I don't want to
>> run anything mission critical on a Windows platform - just not solid
>> enough,
>> I mean, for example - I set up my machines to let me know when there are
>> updates - I then control WHEN and HOW I download and install, AND which
>> updates. One day I got home, the PC was on, but none of my terminals were
>> running - I also then saw that what Bill thought was a CRITICAL update,
>> was
>> worth re-booting my machine for... without my knowledge, or approval. That
>> really annoyed me. I know, I can add the terminal shortcuts to the startup
>> folder, but still - it could affect a few trades if the system is down for
>> some time, esp some of the scalping type EAs.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Eben
>>
>> From: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:
>> 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
>> Of Charles Wilkes
>> Sent: 23 July 2008 03:50 PM
>> To: 4XONTARIO (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com <4XONTARIO%40yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: [4XONTARIO] Queston re MT4
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>

Charles Wilkes

Thanks to everyone who has been of such help to me in finding a way to run
MT4 on my new IMac. After studying the professional version of Wine from
CodeWeavers which they now call CrossOver, I have ordered it based on their
report that it does work, and have also ordered a CD to be sent to me with
it for a cost of $69.95 plus $10.00 for the CD, and the cost of shipping via
DHL. Their report showed:
MetaTrader 4<http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=2157>
Metaquotes Honorable Mention
reporting that it has been tested, and does work. It was also given a
Silver medal in advocacy rank, but don't know what all that means. Since
it can be returned with I think 60 days if it doesn't work in my
application, I will test it thoroughly, and report back here what I was able
to discover.

Since I am retired from IBM Research after having spent years in promoting
and supporting the IBM PC from it's earliest days (I even spent six years in
Paris getting the then new IBM PC announced in Europe), you may wonder why I
am now converting to a Mac. First of all, IBM sold it's PC business to
Lenovo in China, and is no longer in the Personal Computer business. Even
the operating systems developed by IBM -- PC Dos, and OS2 for the PC, are no
longer IBM products, with DOS turned over to Microsoft as MS-DOS, and OS2
being effectively abandoned long ago.

Certainly the early Macs were not very good, but with the adoption of the
Intel dual core processors for all new Macs, this machine suddenly came
alive -- in my eyes anyway. And then Microsoft hasn't done so well with PC
operating systems either, although while Vista is a space and performance
hog, with the latest PC hardware, I do like it, and have used it since first
availability. But the Mac performs much better, which is understandable
since Apple has designed both their hardware and software together with full
integration only possible when both are done by the same company. In the
PC world, Microsoft does the operating system and many hardware
manufacturers do the hardware, with obviously little coordination between
them.

When my son brought his MacBookPro with him on his latest visit on the
occasion of my 82nd birthday (he lives in Norfolk, VA and I live in San
Jose, CA), he was able to show me how much better his computer ran compared
to my Vista Ultimate running on the fastest PC I could buy not long
earlier. The wait times I endure compared with the apparently
instantaneous responses he was getting really turned me around. So when be
bought me an IMAC on the way to the airport for his return, I was really
turned on to the Mac, and decided to see if I could make it the workhorse of
my computing activities -- at least in my home, as my Mac is not a laptop.


I could run PC code on my Mac several ways, including dual boot
and emulation, but wanted to run my key PC programs unobtainable in true Mac
code, and certainly don't want to have to reboot every time I change from a
PC application to a Mac application -- which in my case looks like it will
be everything I do on true Mac applications (mostly email and word
processing), with only MT4 running PC code. So with help from members of
this group, I was able to discover Wine from CodeWeavers which allows me to
execute some PC code at least including as I show above MT4 as a true Mac
application not running under any PC operating system.

Incidentally my IMac was upgraded in the store it was bought from (Fry's
Electronics) to increase main memory from 2 GB to 4 GB. The IMac has all
the computer itself mounted in the back side of a 20 inch monitor, so the
only wires are to the keyboard (into which the mouse is plugged like it
should have been done on PCs), and in my case to an external 400 GB ESATA
hard drive for backups, and a 2nd monitor which is a 19" Viewsonic which I
like to use while trading Forex.

Charles Wilkes




Sun Tzu said:
When torrential water tosses boulders, it is because of its momentum.
When the strike of a hawk breaks the body of its prey, it is because of
timing.

Ronald

I remember the old days when anyone who used a mouse was considered less than a man because they were not manly enough to run DOS based machines. I caved in after DOS 6.0 expolited the mouse with their hokey shells. Apple was not the only sissy O/S as Windows 3.1 was rearing its' ugly head back then too.

Good post Charles. Apple does seem to have a lot going for it although I won't consider buying one until they replace the slacker in their Apple versus MS commercials with someone dressed for success....................................

Ronald ( MrCsonka )

----- Original Message -----
From: Charles Wilkes
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:03 PM
Subject: [MT_E and I] Re: Queston re MT4 -- can it run on a Mac?



Thanks to everyone who has been of such help to me in finding a way to run MT4 on my new IMac. After studying the professional version of Wine from CodeWeavers which they now call CrossOver, I have ordered it based on their report that it does work, and have also ordered a CD to be sent to me with it for a cost of $69.95 plus $10.00 for the CD, and the cost of shipping via DHL. Their report showed:
MetaTrader 4 Metaquotes Honorable Mention

reporting that it has been tested, and does work. It was also given a Silver medal in advocacy rank, but don't know what all that means. Since it can be returned with I think 60 days if it doesn't work in my application, I will test it thoroughly, and report back here what I was able to discover.

Since I am retired from IBM Research after having spent years in promoting and supporting the IBM PC from it's earliest days (I even spent six years in Paris getting the then new IBM PC announced in Europe), you may wonder why I am now converting to a Mac. First of all, IBM sold it's PC business to Lenovo in China, and is no longer in the Personal Computer business. Even the operating systems developed by IBM -- PC Dos, and OS2 for the PC, are no longer IBM products, with DOS turned over to Microsoft as MS-DOS, and OS2 being effectively abandoned long ago.

Certainly the early Macs were not very good, but with the adoption of the Intel dual core processors for all new Macs, this machine suddenly came alive -- in my eyes anyway. And then Microsoft hasn't done so well with PC operating systems either, although while Vista is a space and performance hog, with the latest PC hardware, I do like it, and have used it since first availability. But the Mac performs much better, which is understandable since Apple has designed both their hardware and software together with full integration only possible when both are done by the same company. In the PC world, Microsoft does the operating system and many hardware manufacturers do the hardware, with obviously little coordination between them.

When my son brought his MacBookPro with him on his latest visit on the occasion of my 82nd birthday (he lives in Norfolk, VA and I live in San Jose, CA), he was able to show me how much better his computer ran compared to my Vista Ultimate running on the fastest PC I could buy not long earlier. The wait times I endure compared with the apparently instantaneous responses he was getting really turned me around. So when be bought me an IMAC on the way to the airport for his return, I was really turned on to the Mac, and decided to see if I could make it the workhorse of my computing activities -- at least in my home, as my Mac is not a laptop.

I could run PC code on my Mac several ways, including dual boot and emulation, but wanted to run my key PC programs unobtainable in true Mac code, and certainly don't want to have to reboot every time I change from a PC application to a Mac application -- which in my case looks like it will be everything I do on true Mac applications (mostly email and word processing), with only MT4 running PC code. So with help from members of this group, I was able to discover Wine from CodeWeavers which allows me to execute some PC code at least including as I show above MT4 as a true Mac application not running under any PC operating system.

Incidentally my IMac was upgraded in the store it was bought from (Fry's Electronics) to increase main memory from 2 GB to 4 GB. The IMac has all the computer itself mounted in the back side of a 20 inch monitor, so the only wires are to the keyboard (into which the mouse is plugged like it should have been done on PCs), and in my case to an external 400 GB ESATA hard drive for backups, and a 2nd monitor which is a 19" Viewsonic which I like to use while trading Forex.

Charles Wilkes




Sun Tzu said:
When torrential water tosses boulders, it is because of its momentum.
When the strike of a hawk breaks the body of its prey, it is because of timing.

Charles Wilkes

This one gave me a good laugh -- thanks for it. And I assume the "slacker"
is none other than Steve "the" Jobs. And I don't like negative advs
either,
but Steve-o isn't the creative one at Apple, and never was -- just an
incredible
salesman. I have to give the creative ones great applause, and even also
to
their managers who had the good sense to just get out of their way and let
then do what they wanted -- and never what the marketing people wanted.

I can't tell you the many "mouse" conversations we had inside IBM during
those years. But thankfully the "bad" ones lost.

Charles

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 1:18 PM, Ronald <Ecommedi (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

> I remember the old days when anyone who used a mouse was considered
> less than a man because they were not manly enough to run DOS based
> machines. I caved in after DOS 6.0 expolited the mouse with their hokey
> shells. Apple was not the only sissy O/S as Windows 3.1 was rearing its'
> ugly head back then too.
>
> Good post Charles. Apple does seem to have a lot going for it although I
> won't consider buying one until they replace the slacker in their Apple
> versus MS commercials with someone dressed for
> success...................................
>
> Ronald ( MrCsonka )
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Charles Wilkes <cfw123 (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 24, 2008 4:03 PM
> *Subject:* [MT_E and I] Re: Queston re MT4 -- can it run on a Mac?
>
> Thanks to everyone who has been of such help to me in finding a way to
> run MT4 on my new IMac. After studying the professional version of Wine
> from CodeWeavers which they now call CrossOver, I have ordered it based on
> their report that it does work, and have also ordered a CD to be sent to me
> with it for a cost of $69.95 plus $10.00 for the CD, and the cost of
> shipping via DHL. Their report showed:
> MetaTrader 4<http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=2157>
> Metaquotes Honorable Mention
> reporting that it has been tested, and does work. It was also given a
> Silver medal in advocacy rank, but don't know what all that means. Since
> it can be returned with I think 60 days if it doesn't work in my
> application, I will test it thoroughly, and report back here what I was able
> to discover.
>
> Since I am retired from IBM Research after having spent years in promoting
> and supporting the IBM PC from it's earliest days (I even spent six years in
> Paris getting the then new IBM PC announced in Europe), you may wonder why I
> am now converting to a Mac. First of all, IBM sold it's PC business to
> Lenovo in China, and is no longer in the Personal Computer business. Even
> the operating systems developed by IBM -- PC Dos, and OS2 for the PC, are no
> longer IBM products, with DOS turned over to Microsoft as MS-DOS, and OS2
> being effectively abandoned long ago.
>
> Certainly the early Macs were not very good, but with the adoption of the
> Intel dual core processors for all new Macs, this machine suddenly came
> alive -- in my eyes anyway. And then Microsoft hasn't done so well with PC
> operating systems either, although while Vista is a space and performance
> hog, with the latest PC hardware, I do like it, and have used it since first
> availability. But the Mac performs much better, which is understandable
> since Apple has designed both their hardware and software together with full
> integration only possible when both are done by the same company. In the
> PC world, Microsoft does the operating system and many hardware
> manufacturers do the hardware, with obviously little coordination between
> them.
>
> When my son brought his MacBookPro with him on his latest visit on the
> occasion of my 82nd birthday (he lives in Norfolk, VA and I live in San
> Jose, CA), he was able to show me how much better his computer ran compared
> to my Vista Ultimate running on the fastest PC I could buy not long
> earlier. The wait times I endure compared with the apparently
> instantaneous responses he was getting really turned me around. So when be
> bought me an IMAC on the way to the airport for his return, I was really
> turned on to the Mac, and decided to see if I could make it the workhorse of
> my computing activities -- at least in my home, as my Mac is not a laptop.
>
>
> I could run PC code on my Mac several ways, including dual boot
> and emulation, but wanted to run my key PC programs unobtainable in true Mac
> code, and certainly don't want to have to reboot every time I change from a
> PC application to a Mac application -- which in my case looks like it will
> be everything I do on true Mac applications (mostly email and word
> processing), with only MT4 running PC code. So with help from members of
> this group, I was able to discover Wine from CodeWeavers which allows me to
> execute some PC code at least including as I show above MT4 as a true Mac
> application not running under any PC operating system.
>
> Incidentally my IMac was upgraded in the store it was bought from (Fry's
> Electronics) to increase main memory from 2 GB to 4 GB. The IMac has all
> the computer itself mounted in the back side of a 20 inch monitor, so the
> only wires are to the keyboard (into which the mouse is plugged like it
> should have been done on PCs), and in my case to an external 400 GB ESATA
> hard drive for backups, and a 2nd monitor which is a 19" Viewsonic which I
> like to use while trading Forex.
>
> Charles Wilkes
>
>
>
>
> Sun Tzu said:
> When torrential water tosses boulders, it is because of its momentum.
> When the strike of a hawk breaks the body of its prey, it is because of
> timing.
>
>
>
>



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