You can do anything to me, except blackmaling!!!!
Let that very clear to all of YOU all!!
This goes to court, regardsless black or white or any nationality.
Blackmail is not in my book of tolerance, not in Belgium my homecountry
and certainly not here in The Netherlands ... here it is taken very seriously.
Leave it here as it is and before you know you get deadth threads.
No way ...
I just pointed out indications/facts on his website that are suspicous and
not in order with the law (by the way I did not make the law in Holland)
Then he has 2 options, sorry I did not know it... thanks.
So if there is nothing wrong there is no problem.
That would be easy.
Other option he feels being pushed in a corner since he is aware that the points I made
are not 100% legally in order.
If he was mature enough it would have said I look into it.
I took it as example, I told him also .. and also told him do not take this personally
Well he did take it personally (his problem) and even blackmails me in public.
Now the blackmail really is the limit ..
I think I like to make a case ot it ... well he doen't have to think anymore.
He as got a case now. even 2 ....
Calling me daft in public ... so I will see my doctor about this and ask a medical statement
that I mentally healthy and not daft. That is case 2 civil lawsuit
And the other will criminal charges.
Some people they think they get away with such things .... maybe with all the Dutch here.
But not this one, he really got the wrong guy this time.
And to hall who feel sympathy for him, because he helps you out with some code every know and then
but because of that he is allowed to blackmail somebody ... look in the mirror ... is says hypocriet right above your head in the mirror.
Same as with Patty and here decompiled EA ... everybody Oh Patty we feel so sorry.
While here in the group file section are also deconplied EA's ... but they are not from the groep members.
So then they can be discussed, no harm done (to the group)
How hypocriet and two-faced can you be? Tell me?
The EA 0123.mq4 is not decompiled????
Been on discussion here ...
So why did not any of you warn the author???
And I get a remark that is a "law I made up", no you here in de group are making laws in fever of yourself.
Accepting decompiled EA's, I thought no illigal activity allowed here.
So anybody in the group who has warned the author that his EA arrived here in decompiled format?
If there is one person let him speak, seems none of you like the real actual law and prefer the sefmade laws/rules that suit you best.
I do not answer this topic anymore.
Just hoping that atleast one person is honest here and reported the EA to the author.
Copyright infringment fine is 30.000$ www. copyright.gov the official site .... This will cost the group 60.000$
You are just looking for information that suits you personal,
If there is illegal stuff here, you don't care ... does not affect me .. then you just a criminal as well, because you a duty to report it!
if it is illegal and can have consequenses for the group onwer it doe'nt botter you even.
Group closed down the moderator can pay, and next day some body starts a new group.
Very nice lot of people you are.
From: Mayo
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:02 AM
To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] 禄脴赂麓拢潞 [FREE] EX4 to MQ4!!!
Why can't we all just get along? Serge and Michal, grow up, bury the hactchet and work together to to resolve this issue. I am sure you can see each others email.
You guys are mad at each other and now you will pay additional lawyers to get mad at each other and those two lawyers will now work with another 12 Jury that will also be mad at each other and at the end of the day, one Judge will also be mad at those two lawyers plus the 12 juries to find a resolution.
C'mon guys, work with each other, find a resolution and lets build a better EA that will make everyone more successfull.
Mayo
----- Original Message ----
From: Serge Van Aelst <serge50 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
To: MetaTrader_Experts_and_Indicators (A...oups (DOT) com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:44:23 PM
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] 禄脴赂麓拢潞 [FREE] EX4 to MQ4!!!
I'm not a racist let that be very clear to you.
But your company does not comply with the law, Final.
If you want to know why, seek advice with a lawyer.
But you did not read my message entirely of zondag 7 september 2008 17:27
Last 3 lines, you don't seen to understand.
Btw if yo don't have one .. nothing to put down.
But all invoices have to metion that you are exempted of btw.
Because you cannot charge btw either then. Nor deduct btw of incoming invoices.
So no problem
Address ( where clients can come), Name of owner of the business and telephonenumber and kvk
Must be published on very official document of the company. Including website .. see
www.kvk.nl
I do know Paypal making a donation is different as paying for good/services..
Your button is a donation button , so no proof of payment for good and or services.
If is is payment for services to yave to either send in invoice to the client or recieve payment by the client
with the e-mail for that paypal account and marking goods or services. Then you have proof of payment for
goods or services. Donation is donation .. the guy just gave me some money ... nothing to be retuned.
BIG DIFFERENCE
copyright is complex it starts at the keyboard of the owner, even handing it over to a programmer
the author still has the copyright. Unless he transferred in writing.
But breaking copy right is making a copy of something you did not make yourself. Owning op copyrighted
material that is not from yorself is no crime. Is case of software the same, you can have it. But not use it.
Big difference between copyright and a licence to use the software.
I do understand Kiva, you don't understand the law in Holland. Lending money is not allowed here.
Gifts are .. but if you lend money and they have to pay back with or without intrest you have AFM regulations.
Sorry I did not invent them ... Holland is the country of rules and regulations.
IRead the article last 3 lines and inbetween the article I stipulated several times this is not at you personal.
The way of working looks like scamming ... nothing comply with with the law..
Since you are taking this personally I do not want and will discuss this anymore.
I never said anywhere you are a scammer. Just als these things that are npot right point to possible
scammers. So read again please. My full name you have, and my lawyers you can contact at:
Gerard Spong
Keizergracht 278
1016 EW Amsterdam.
By the way ..."What do you think? How much is your offense is worth?"
So you are hoping I pay, correction use the donate paypal button to stop you
from filling a complaint.
Let me tell you my friend, this you will really regret. Tomorrow I will be at the poltice station.
For blackmail in public .. and maybe you get banned as well here here, because this is not legal nowhere.
And illigal activities will ban you
You will now when face the charges of blackmaling in public!
I hope this is the final email ... and will not even reply to any of your e-mail anymore on this subject.
Hope you will apologies for that sentence you have written down, if not.
You can expect some police at you doorstep.
Good luck ...
You know the loser of a trial pays all the lawyers costs, be my guest.
From: Michal Rutka
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:48 PM
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [MT_E and I] 禄脴赂麓拢潞 [FREE] EX4 to MQ4!!!
Dear Serge,
Of course I鈥檓 taking this personal as you offended me on a public forum. I see that your reasoning is that the site
www.mqlservice. com is hosted in Poland but you obviously forgot to check that
www.mqlservice. net is located in Germany . Now, can you explain me why somebody nationality should be a point? Are you follower of the theory that somebody origin/race is important? If yes, then just tell us whose race is the best and we will know.
Regarding NDA as it is written on my site, every client can write its own NDA. The sentence is 鈥淎 client can use own NDA or adopt this example from MQLService.com.鈥 The example comes directly from strategybuilderfx forum (famous before you even knew what FX is but now a little less), and I鈥檝e just copied it as an EXAMPLE.
On the web site you don鈥檛 need to put BTW number at all unless you are 鈥楤TW ondernemer鈥. If you are not then what should you put?
The address is not required either. Unless you can point me to some law describing it I will assume that you are just making this law yourself. All what is required it the KvK number because KvK have all other data ready to be used. Therefore you don鈥檛 need to pollute the site with all unnecessary info as one single number fixes it all.
When you go to the shop area and actually buy something via official way you will see that PP payment is done to a business entity. I assume that you don鈥檛 know much about PayPal, but these guys won鈥檛 let you to do business without good papers.
The 鈥榠dea鈥 cannot be copyrighted. It can be patented, so if you are afraid go for a patent. On the other side, software can be copyrighted as there are 100 of ways to code the same functionality, for example Trailing Stop. Therefore each programmer is free to copyright its own code as this is his writing and nobody else. 100 of programmers can copyright the code doing a trailing stop in their ways and still this trailing stop 鈥榠dea鈥 can be coded in 101st way.
Obviously you don鈥檛 understand philanthropic and Kiva. Go to their site and educate. Especially about taxes as you are missing lot here and calling me fraud on a public forum is rather silly. If you have a point, a single telephone to the tax office (belastingdienst) is enough. Go for it if you want, I don鈥檛 care as I know exactly what I鈥檓 doing.
OK, enough it. You went personal, you offended me on public forum, you made harm to me personally and to my business. I don鈥檛 think I like it and I鈥檓 thinking about making a case of it. At least you are near me in the Amsterdam so you would not have a long way to the court (kantonrechter) . What do you think, how much your offence is worth?
Michal Rutka, PhD
www.mqlservice. net
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From: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Serge Van Aelst
Sent: zondag 7 september 2008 18:53
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] 禄脴赂麓拢潞 [FREE] EX4 to MQ4!!!
Michal,
Your reaction proves you take this personal.
None the less.. it proves that truth in what I'm saying otherwise you would not be offended.
The languages here is English if you haven't noticed by now.
If you wanna talk Dutch you can do that on Dutch groups and or forums.
You write in Dutch That's one and I'm to stupid to see it.
Infact that is just the problem that I have seen and noticed it and you are loosing your face.
Hence your reaction and crying for the moderator.
It has passed the moderator already, since this is a moderated group.
As for how old I am ... I was born the day before yesterday. So old enough. LOL
Since when I discovered EA's.. about one year ago.
Registered with the chamber of commerce ... fine.
But you don't seem to bother with the Dutch law a lot.
Your website is not comply with the law, no VAT number, no address and so on.
Also your Paypal payment are donations??? Are we avoiding taxes here?
If you provide a service you have to make an invoice and also in paypal declair it as service.
Disclosure on your site:
MQL Service (programmer) agrees not to disclose information to
individuals or parties, or use for any purposes, information concerning the data
structures and algorithms or other information which make up Client鈥檚 concept,
property or proposed source-code and/or software products except for personal,
individual use.
You do admit here that you are using the ideas and so on... black on wite.
Secondly the whole disclosure document is not legal because it does not comply with the law
legal stuff in it, Such as address of the company and who is signing and in what function he is signing.
Seems you better stick with what you are good at. Entrepeneur
Lots of loans you are paying back it seems ...
http://www. kiva.org/ lender/michal538
So I only know EA's for one year ... so what? But I do see a scammer/entrepreneu r like you
And you stepped in it with both feet, thank you very much for revealing yourself.!!
You do admit here that you are using the ideas and logic for personal use!
Secondly ordering on your site and the disclore document is not legal and certainly not professional.
It must contain the full data of the parties involved that is Company details and client details.
Company mqlservices, Antilope 7, 1273GA Huizen, The Netherlands for example..
Referring the company and signing as "programmer" is not legal. This has to be an personal name who is autorised to sign for
the company. Think you better stay in show-biz!!
I'm an accountant if you want to know, so don't tell me you are the different guy who is not scamming.
You can thank God that you could enter The Netherlands and have you little scamming set-up here.
And trying to live a nice life, I really don't mind you doing that. But not at the expence of innocent people.
Are you running away of your debts???? And trying on a safe distance to get here you money and go back to Poland?
This site (youself) is claiming that you are paying back and even proud of it, since you publish it!!!
But it seems you are very good at being an ENTREPRENEUR ...
http://www. kiva..org/ lender/michal538
They are always prepared to get out of any awkward situations ... and selling air! That's all they have up their sleeves.
Seems that did not work out very well either because it bring in a lot of debts so it seems.
Translated into EA too many open orders at the end bringing equity down.
And you are asking how long I know EA's ....
Let me ask you one question, how long do you know life????
So let me go back to the day before yesterday .. the day that I was born.
Seems 45 years ago .... 10 years ago I stopped working... and I have no social money.
I learned the stockexchange ... I used to live in Brasschaat the richest city of Belgium and owned a house fully paid.
And have everything I need ... used to have a car, motorbike anything you could think of.
Now I move 3 years ago into Amsterdam again in a full paid house, and still I'm not working.
Here in Amsterdam I'm just enjoying my life, it is a big city yet quit. Everything is close by. Schiphol airport and so on.
And who knows, next year Berlin or London don't yet. And yes I can still go to Brasschaat the house is still there as the house in Amsterdam will stay..
And yes I do trade forex on demo still after one year. Just playing. And yes I have a good strategy that could be turned in an EA.
I do it myself when it is to my likings good enough. Do I trust someone to do it for me... sure an entrepreneur would do just fine!
You don't realise it youself but you stepped with both feet blindly in a trap that I have setup.
Just by reacting and taking it personal you revealed yourself. Thank you very much....
So don't you have a go at me with That I'm too daft!!!
Because this is your final warning if you ever ever make a remark like that ven in private or on any forum/group
I sew your pants off.
We are in a democratie here... not where you came from, got it?
So here we can have critic comments and has I have stated it is not personal.
I pointed out what a lot of scammers/losers on the FX market do to recover from there own failures in the past.
Seems I got that hit right on the head.
That's allI have to say, and remember this guy is not Daft .. so you better take your word back on that one.
Because I will see persuw it then.
End of discussion otherwise this will get personal and I have no intension of going personal with this guy.
Serge.
ps: sorry guys but calling me daft in Dutch ... then you are getting back what is comming to you
From: Michal Rutka
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:50 PM
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [MT_E and I] 禄脴赂麓拢潞 [FREE] EX4 to MQ4!!!
鈥淢ichal this is not a personal attack鈥 鈥
Het is 茅茅n en jij bent te stom om het te zien. Hoe oud je bent eigenlijk? Ik denk dat je hebt EA鈥檚 pas gisteren ontdekt.
For the rest, OK, as such newbie鈥檚 start to attack me then I think my time is over here. Either moderator will clean and ban such persons or we must part. It is no pleasant anymore.
Regards,
Michal
From: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Serge Van Aelst
Sent: zondag 7 september 2008 17:27
To: MetaTrader_Experts_ and_Indicators@ yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [MT_E and I] 禄脴赂麓拢潞 [FREE] EX4 to MQ4!!!
Michal
What are you saying this is the first time your hear of decompiling? ?
Because you say, all the discounted compiled versions must go away now.
Figuring the logic out it is difficult in a decompiled version??
var_001, var_002 and reading the code you soon figure it out. Find and replace and the decompiled code
is in no time it is very readable.
Selling EA is no business .. who is selling a 100% profit EA?
The author does not need all the e-mails and problems that come with it, by selling and giving support.
He has is holy grail and has no need to sell if it is really working under all market conditions.
The one who are selling, they have a problem.. either the have fake statements .. or every now and then
the accounts are wiped out. So they lost their capital and need new capital to start all over again.
So not working under all market conditions. And what is the use of an automated EA if you have to babysit the EA.
I can give an example
www.destiny. com version 2 has wiped a lot of accounts .. they removed
all live demo accounts and started all over again with version 3.
They are a business, tell me why don't they have a real live account showing?????
We all know and agree I think even with they same broker there is a huge difference on trading on demo
or live account.
You also say develop a strategy and automate it... yes that is why these forums are here.
Not everyone is capable of programming. So they seek help.
In my opinion most of the commercial EA's are people who are thinking of making some money
with nice statements to people who don't know FX at all. Or just starters.
On E-bay or other websites you find commercial EA's who are just a compiled version of EA's on forums
and groups like this... it is a fact.
If you give out the code even when it is compiled, it will always be decompiled. Even DLL files.
IBM has seen it happening, reverse engineering of the operating system by Compaq and others.
There is no way to stop this.
Only one way to share your system logic .. is running the account yourself.
Seen people using demo version and having software to copy the trades into another MT4 running with live account.
You have shop .. so like it to program and share all the EA that make a lot of money.
Every morning all the e-mail of people asking questions and being pissed off because the EA missed a trade or closed one to soon.
This while you are selling profitable EA's you still like all the hasle of setting up a business and so on.
Working all the time, getting stressed ....
Seen your site in the meantime, the code that you make for the client is copyrighted. . so the client gives you the logic and idea and
you claim to have the copyright??? ? Get a live!!!
You act on an order that is given to you... you cannot copyright somebody else idea.
If you do and the owner can prove he had the idea before you and that you have used it... you will see who has the copyright.
Copyright applies also to idea's and logic ... But seen the country of origin as well, explains it all ... the most intelligent people of Europe.
No personal offense!!
And the solution is already in your computer, an EA that takes all those problems away...
Because if you have an EA that is profitable and you make more money with programming? ???
And still you have not found the perfect strategy ... even with all the programming work that you have?
Then that EA is not profitable.. ..
Even having your idea programmed by somebody else, has risks ...
They do program the EA ... and next thing you know there is a very simular one available on the market.
So my personal conclusion, is that I presume you are a very naive person...
Looks like the first time you have seen decompiling in the EA world.
And you did not succeed in making a very profitable system yourself.
So you thin I'm gonna be smart and offer programming services .. one day I will have the perfect logic
dropping in (supplied by) a client... and I even take the copyright on it.
Very nice person you are ...
Don't take this really personal .. this is my view on many people who are doing the same thing as you do.
If I see my EA make 100% a month, do I need to start a business or anything like it to share??
Give you an example my last 500$ after 6 months 5>10>20>40>80>16000
You earn more then the prime minister Balkenende, but still doing some programming on the side though
Keep smiling my friend.
If I was as rich as Rockefeller, I would be richer... why?
I do some window cleaning on the side (moonlighting)
Michal this is not a
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